“The world says there are good people and bad people. But we have to surrender the limitations of duality and begin to entertain that there is just one power, it’s neutral and it goes where we direct it to flow.” – Mark Anthony Lord
You have been domesticated into self-hatred, as if that’s the norm. If you are working to heal yourself from the trauma of outdated, suppressive, religious framework, join us this week on Find Your Fierce & Loving. I talk to Mark Anthony Lord, author, minister, and passionate spiritual leader who knows how to help people find the pitfalls of perfectionism, transform them, and break through their fears along the path to self-mastery.
Show Notes
We grow up with the world screaming that there are two powers. Dualistic thinking of right and wrong, good and bad leads us to humanity’s suffering loop. Mark Anthony Lord, author and minister, believes that as we fiercely accept ourselves, extend grace to those we meet, and practice forgiveness, we have the capacity to shift this trance.
On this week’s edition of Find Your Fierce & Loving, I invite you to share in an important conversation with my good friend, my mentor, my teacher, my practice partner in all things awakening. We discuss Mark Anthony’s journey through his own broken ideas of God, himself, and the world and how it has led him to find increased peace and become the great spiritual leader he is today. We talk about how the suffering of 2020 is an invitation to give up playing small. Tune in!
- (04:53) – Reclaim yourself
- (08:09) – The world’s idea of power
- (09:26) – Awakening today
- (13:37) – Surrender duality
- (18:11) – Grace is always available
- (23:01) – Provoke forgiveness
- (26:38) – Unravel the pain
- (30:29) – Completing the year
Mark Anthony Lord is a minister, author, online course creator, and is passionate about helping people heal from religious trauma – creating a new, more loving and empowering relationship with God. Mark Anthony has come a long way from the broken ideas of God, himself, and the world. It wasn’t an easy journey, as it isn’t for any of us, but it has been deeply rewarding and fulfilling. The good that he has experienced far exceeds the pain he has had to move through. Mark did his time in 12 step rooms, including 30 days in a private treatment center in Canada, and he was truly changed by that awakening. He was led to the spiritual side of himself and his life. It gave him an insatiable drive to consume countless spiritual books, attend every workshop possible, and eventually stand on the stage at Agape International Spiritual Center in Los Angeles when he graduated with his Masters in Divinity and became a minister. It was a long way from where he started.
Mark has done more than 10,000 hours on the spiritual field, teaching, speaking, preaching and practicing spiritual truths that are the cornerstones for living an authentic, faithful life. Mark knows how to help people find the pitfalls of perfectionism, transform them and break through the fears along the path to self mastery. This certainly does not mean that Mark does not fall down, act a fool or forget, but he has faced enough of the ego’s bullshit to be able to smell it a mile away and has made a hundred percent decision that he is not buying that for himself or for any of us.
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Lola is an ordained minister with a gift for weaving together the mystical and material, she served for many years as the CEO of Bodhi Center, an organization committed to personal transformation, collective awakening, conscious activism, and community-building.
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Transcript
Opening Quote [00:00:00] The greatest grace we can have is to as best we can, stop judging ourselves. Stop making ourselves so bad because we ate that half gallon of ice cream, or we answered that, you know, booty call at midnight or whatever. Like I just like, that’s so stupid. Like, it doesn’t matter. The best that we could do in the midst of some of these patterns and choices is [sic] just love ourselves.
Intro [00:00:36] Personal transformation and collective awakening involve being the most alive, brilliant, inspired, creative on fire version of yourself, a version that is not consistent with the status quo. My name is Lola Wright and this is Find Your Fierce & Loving. This podcast is a wake up call, a roadmap back to your holy purpose, an invitation to set fire to the box you’ve been living in and watch it burn.
Lola Wright [00:01:15] Mark Anthony Lord is a minister, author, online course creator and passionate about helping people heal from religious trauma, creating a new, more loving and empowering relationship with God. Mark did his time in 12 step rooms, including 30 days in a private treatment center in Canada, and he was truly changed by that awakening. He was led to the spiritual side of his self, his life. It gave him an insatiable drive to consume countless spiritual books, attend every workshop possible, and eventually stand on the stage at Agape International Spiritual Center in Los Angeles. Mark graduated with his master’s in divinity from Agape and became a minister. It is a long way from where he came. Mark has done more than 10000 hours on the spiritual field, teaching, speaking, preaching, and practicing spiritual truths that are the cornerstones for living an authentic, faithful life. Mark knows how to help people find the pitfalls of perfectionism, transform them, and break through the fears along the path to self mastery. This certainly does not mean that Mark does not fall down, act a fool or forgets. I understand that. But Mark has faced enough of the ego’s bullshit to be able to smell it a mile away. So with that in mind, Mark Anthony Lord, my good friend, my mentor, my teacher, my practice partner, and all things awakening welcome to the Find Your Fierce and Loving podcast.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:03:02] Oh my gosh, I am so thrilled to be here. This is like a fantastic moment in time.
Lola Wright [00:03:08] Yes, it is. Yes, it is. So I would love to just dove right in. And I guess, first of all, what I want to say is, you know, when I first came across your body of work in 2005, the thing that struck me most was this range that you possess that I would now call this fierce and loving range. And it was so liberating for me. You know, I was a young mom. I was a young single mom at the time. And I was, my life was hard. I was actually sort of a hot mess to be totally honest. And as you may remember, I showed up at Bodhi, and I would regularly carry multiple bags of bills. I would take two trains and a bus to get to Bodhi, and I had a blind dog and a backpack and a little roller backpack. And I showed up and it was I just remember being doused with what I now understand as truth. And you were this fierce and loving catalyst that was really creating a massive movement in Chicago at the time to support people and freeing themselves of old religious frameworks and dogmas that were suppressing and oppressing human beings. So I just want to first, of course, thank you and acknowledge you. I would not be who or where or what I am today if you had not said yes to that.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:04:40] I love it. And I do remember that scrappy dog.
Lola Wright [00:04:44] Oh, my gosh.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:04:46] I was like, who is this woman?
Lola Wright [00:04:51] Oh, yeah. And I mean, I think that your story of sort of reforming yourself or reclaiming yourself is such a potent one. So I’m curious when you sort of tune into this idea of finding your fierce and loving, what did that look like, and what does that look like?
Mark Anthony Lord [00:05:16] Yeah, and I love the title and I was thinking about that this week before the podcast. Like, I love it because it made me like, what is my fierce and loving? It’s a great way to move it to self inquiry because really I am not who I was. Like I am, I am not the little young gay boy in Detroit, so scared, so broken, sexually abused. Like the trauma that I was walking in every single day and the self-hatred and the self rejection like it was for real, like it was for real. I don’t think I felt the hurt because I think as a child you can’t because it’ll blow you up. You know, some kind of well, addiction started to relate early all those things I needed just to survive to get me through. So for me to have gotten through that and to somehow be sitting here with enormous self-love, with an undeniable certainty that I am a part of a magnificent plan of life, that creator, divine presence, whatever higher power, whatever you call it, like I am everything to my higher power. Like I really, I have such a passion to help people become free, which was mentioned, of religious trauma specifically as it’s so hurtful, and it really psychic wounds within us. So I don’t quite know. I think there were quantum leaps, spiritual awakenings along my journey that I know some people that might be a little cliche today to say spiritual awakening, but I have profound experiences that I feel like changed me. So that’s who I am today is pretty fabulous.
Lola Wright [00:07:14] I would say so, hello.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:07:18] I feel like humbled to that. I don’t feel arrogant to that. I feel so humble that I am who I am, and that I can love myself and there are many people that don’t let the public be so candid with you. Like, I don’t tell people specifically this, but I will to you and I’ll say to the world. But when I was in Costa Rica doing ayahuasca, I oh my God, was it amazing the healing of. I had this night of just sort of self love explosion and seeing how fantastic I am and reclaiming my soul. And I was shown how many people walked through the world disconnected from their power. It was profound. Yeah, we’re passionate about helping people just connect, and love themselves and find their way.
Lola Wright [00:08:09] Yeah, and when I hear you say a couple of things in there like this, this to some extent, it’s like we’re indoctrinated. And I have heard you say, use this word so often before domesticated into this self-hatred, as if that’s the norm. Yeah. And then when I hear you talk about this idea of power, like people are disempowered, people are dislocated from their power and that word power, we have such a, I think, inaccurate understanding of that word. We have the context for power that we use these days is like domination or control over someone or something. And that’s not what you’re talking about.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:08:56] No, exactly. Thank you for saying that, because the world’s idea of power is so painful. It’s so painful. And when I say power, I really mean the connection to my spirit to a natural force. And it is the same force that’s in the ocean. It’s the same force. It’s in the wind. It’s the same force that’s built in universes upon universes. And it is that little tiny, beautiful force inside of me.
Lola Wright [00:09:26] Yeah. So, you know, what is it that you are seeing these days in the work that you’re doing with people? Like, I feel like there are sort of seasons in the consciousness of humanity where people are sort of like struggling with different things. Like in your work these days, are there any threads that you’re noticing that are popping up in the human experience?
Mark Anthony Lord [00:09:50] Well, I do think, and again I am a spiritual person, like that’s just who I am. And so that’s how I view the world and that’s how I work in the world. And so from that vantage point, I do believe the crisis that we’re in, which are 2020, is insane. Like, I really think it’s a profound time. And I believe our crisis is a call for those who can hear it to give up the existential suffering, to give up this fake small and you know, all of this internal mental chatter, the belief of two powers, all of this stuff is on the table. And it’s got to be surrendered, and I am more passionate than ever to do it myself, like it’s non-negotiable that I’d be more courageous in who I am and what I know. And that I’d be more adamant in how I help people and you know, you used the word bullshit a couple of times. And that’s what I feel like. It’s like the game of this coddling the ego suffering and sort of coddling people’s journeys, there’s a time when that’s right and good. But I feel like sometimes people spend too much time licking their wounds or something. I don’t know how to say it, but like I, at least for me, I’m like, there’s so much freedom to be found, get it today. I think it’s just such an amazing shift in time. I do believe I was in a meditation, a real deep connection and I really did hear it myself a clear statement, which is the awakening that’s happening today is big. And there will be countless numbers of people that yesterday could not hear. And then we’ll be able to hear. They could not see. They will be able to see. There will be ideas around their spiritual person, their spiritual being, that suddenly they will be able to begin embracing. I think that’s the shift. It’s like a wave of people that are going to be able to start waking up to that.
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Lola Wright [00:13:37] One of the things that you said that I want to make sure everybody understands, because, you know, one of the things that I always just want to nudge is when we use these words like oneness, it’s like, oh, yeah, I totally got it with that. Like, I totally get oneness, you know. And it’s like, well no, I mean, it’s actually you can spend your whole life, like deepening your experience and your lived reality of oneness. But you said you said something like most people believe in two powers. And I think that the distinction, it’s like, well, wait wait a minute. What are you saying? There are not two powers? If there aren’t two powers, Mark, then what are there?
Mark Anthony Lord [00:14:18] Yeah, oh, OK, yeah, yeah, let’s see let’s see how I can find that answer, because it is everything. It is everything to me.
Lola Wright [00:14:32] I think it’s easy to assume that people are tracking on that. And I actually think it’s a very profound concept.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:14:39] Yeah, it is. It is. And it’s the everything concept because there is that the world is screaming that there’s two powers. The world says there’s good people and bad people. The world says, that has to go so this can stay. There’s so much division in the world, all based in this. Religions, teach it, two power, that there’s the good God power, and that there’s the devil bad power. I mean, that is the whole construct of the ego’s world, of suffering, of what we all have been taught to believe and see. So really, you’re right. But what I’m saying is when we wake up spiritually, we have got to surrender all of that duality, and begin to entertain something that is in back of all of that. And that is a journey. It’s a process. It takes time. It takes focus. And it takes some for me to miracle moments along the way. What I do know, without a doubt, without a doubt, is when I say one power, I mean that in back of this whole game of existence, there’s just one power, and it’s neutral. And it goes where we direct it to flow. So as we inside ourselves become free of believing in good and bad, right and wrong, guilt and shame, and love and trying to hold these ideas that cannot coexist. As we surrender the belief of two powers, and we just let ourselves become one inside our mind and inside our heart. I promise you, that’s what you begin seeing in the world. It’s phenomenal.
Lola Wright [00:16:29] Yeah, I feel like one of the things that oftentimes flows out of me is there is a power and presence for good in this vast and holy universe that is a presence that transcends the realm of good and evil, right and wrong. And that context for good that does not have an opposition, is mind blowing.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:16:51] Yeah, yeah, it is mind blowing. And I said it for many years. Just as words, which is, you know, I could kind of feel bad when I look back at the beginning of my days as a spiritual leader and go, I was saying all the right things, but I was still sort of, and that’s I was living it differently. Today I don’t have that, as much of that experience. Like I said, I still fall off it, but I can catch myself. And that’s OK. Like, I think for a lot of us, we live speaking the right language for a while and then eventually the next wave comes that leads us into, oh, now I need to go to the deeper experience of it. So I don’t want to make it wrong for those when we’re beginning stages and we’re toggling. But I want to get people out of the toggling as fast as I can.
Lola Wright [00:17:44] Yeah, it’s sort of like, well, there’s a reason fake it till you make it exists. And don’t hang out there forever.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:17:52] Well, you know what? Because there’s a there’s people speaking the right word, but they’re very immature in how to actually live it. That’s right. And was, I guess, from my time. But there’s a lot more good when you actually live what you say.
Lola Wright [00:18:10] Yeah. Well, what I hear you saying, in that is evolution exist. That occurs we’re evolutionary beings, and grace is always available. So it’s not about I mean, I feel like that’s one of the great gifts you’ve been for me, is it’s not about, it’s not about perfection in this sort of worldly idea. You know. And I think that the gosh, if you think about people’s recovery journeys, you know, if you’re someone who lives in a recovery paradigm like that. We’re all recovering from a false sense of self. And may grace have its way here for us in every moment.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:18:54] Yes. Yes, for sure. For sure. And I feel like The greatest grace we can have is to as best we can, stop judging ourselves. Stop making ourselves so bad because we ate that half gallon of ice cream, or we answered that, you know, booty call at midnight or whatever. Like I just like, that’s so stupid. Like, it doesn’t matter. The best thing we could do in the midst of some of these patterns and choices is [sic] just love ourselves. I want to tell you, when I was starting to get sober in my twenties, there was a stretch of time where I just still kept acting out and doing drugs. And I was going to meetings and but I got to this point where I had this one night where I was like, I know I’m going to go use today. I know it. I’m certain. Like, I got a voice that says, don’t. I have the phone call that I could call someone, I could do all the right things. I’m not going to. I know that this pattern’s got me. And what I chose to do was I chose to just, like, pray the whole time as I God whatever you are, wherever you are, come with me. Like, just come with me. And I swear, through the experience, I was just like, OK God, let’s do this together. Let’s just walk with me together. I sort of like it was an amazing experience. And I feel like if we can love ourselves in a bag of chips, if we can love ourselves when we’re doing whatever we’re doing, that’s when the pattern really will begin to lose its grip.
Lola Wright [00:20:39] Yeah it’s the great paradox. Yeah, it looks like, you know, Nathan, my husband always he’s like I oftentimes say, I live with, like Ekhart Tolle’s doppelganger. And, you know, one of his favorite Ekhart Tolle quotes is “acceptance of the unacceptable is the greatest act of grace known to humankind.” And that’s what I hear you saying. Like, how may I have grace for what I deem the most unacceptable parts of myself and of humanity?
Mark Anthony Lord [00:21:11] Yeah, yeah. And that was I swear to you, I feel like that somehow happened for me over time. I don’t feel like I can point to a specific moment, but I can point to a lot of dedication. You know, I went to India, you know, I was going, like you’re not kidding when you’re into just every book, every workshop, therapy, counseling. Like I just had an insatiable drive to wake up and somehow along the way, it all added up to where I just don’t beat myself up as much, and even that alone is such a gift. You know, people listen, if you can just stop beating yourself up so much, that will give you a lot of good energy.
Lola Wright [00:21:58] Yeah, I remember a talk you did years ago on, I think it was something, you know, along the lines of do unto others as you would have done unto you. Except the challenge with that is if you’re really shitty to yourself, then it’s not a great measuring stick. So if we can’t learn to love ourselves madly, wildly, fiercely, then we will have a very hard time really loving others.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:22:25] Yeah, yeah. And I feel like that is my fierce — my fierce has become, I’ve got to fiercely accept myself and fiercely take a stand for. Just be. Unapologetically not not seeking the world’s agreement, which is hard. Yeah, which I definitely fall down. I can find myself caring what other people think because I do have a sensitive part to that. But again, even that is, I know how to take care of myself when that happens.
Lola Wright [00:23:01] One of the themes that I’ve watched over the 16 years that I’ve known you and one of the things that our shared friend Jim Dethmer always mentions when your name comes up is “Lola, Mark Anthony has one of the most incredible capacities to exercise and provoke forgiveness in relationships.” And I would like I feel like forgiveness is something I’ve heard you talk about the entire time I’ve known you. And so, like what how did that happen for you? What is forgiveness to you? And why is it such a devotional experience in your life?
Mark Anthony Lord [00:23:42] Yeah, it’s fucking non-negotiable. Like, it’s non-negotiable. And that developed over time, but I will not allow myself this is sort of like I’m at the like hyper level of this. I will not allow myself to leave anyone out of my heart. And the very simple way to think about it is just pause and go. Who do I let in my heart and who do i keep out of it? Who do I keep in the circle of that I will love and like these people. And who am I pushing out, think of it as hula hoop who live around you. And you’ve got the people that are and you got the people that are out. It is the people that are out who are the ones that you must find your way to let them into your hula hoop. The way to do that, in my experience, is forgiveness. And I have found in my years of teaching it, it is so misunderstood, it is so profoundly misunderstood. And that’s why people don’t do it. If they really understood how healing and powerful it is, and if they really understood how simple their part in the equation is, it would be a game changer. It really would. And I don’t want to get too much into it.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:25:00] But for example, I don’t ever do forgiveness. All I do is ask for it to be done. So I’m like, oh, I’m judging this person in my head. I stop, I ask that forgiveness set me and this person free. I ask that this person, the Holy Spirit, that’s what I use. I use the word holy spirit because i’m A Course in Miracles person. And that’s the word that I get from there. So, you know, I’m just whatever. Again you can use any word, higher love. I ask that you mend whatever break is occurring between me and this other person and help me to be in a flow of love. Help me to let them into my hula hoop. And this is the reason why. This is what a couple of things. You know, it says that you cannot go to the altar of love, you cannot go to your spirit, whatever way you think about. You cannot go there and simultaneously hate someone. You do not get both. You know, everyone has free choice. Everyone has free will except for one thing. The only thing none of us has free will to do is to honor two opposing choices. You cannot do that. No one can do that. You either have to choose to dislike someone or you have to choose love. You don’t get both. You absolutely do not get both. And people think they get both. But they don’t. They don’t. So when I really got that and I understood that like, oh, I don’t get to love God and love myself and grow spiritually and think those people are wrong. I just don’t get it.
Lola Wright [00:26:38] Yeah, and I you know, I just think of all the years of classes that I took with you, and I feel like one of the very consistent questions that comes up in that exploration is like, well, but what about fill in the blank? You know, like that sounds like a really great idea, Mark Anthony, but how do I make so how can that be true if this happened to me? Or don’t you see what’s happening in the political landscape of the United States of America? That is not OK.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:27:10] Yeah, and that is just a the ego’s trick to keep you in your suffering. Like there’s no way where where most people are in their evolution that they can take on monumental ideas like that. You know, Byron Katie says it best when she says, there’s my business, there’s your business, and there’s God’s business. And it’s not totally my language. But it’s a good way to think about it. When people go to Hitler, when people go to, you know, people dying in other worlds, are babies being all those things that are traumatic. When they go there, they’re really just using it as I’m sorry, but they’re just using it as a bypass to avoid the simple forgiveness act that they’re being asked to do in their own life. And not understanding how, why don’t you leave that up on the shelf for a minute and just focus on the neighbor that you keep talking about? Why don’t you just take the step that you’re meant to take for yourself? And it is a profound wave that will impact all of humanity when you choose to just do the forgiveness work in your own hula hoop. Like that’s all we need to focus on today.
Lola Wright [00:28:22] Yeah. And that that does not mean that you are endorsing violence. That does not mean that you are endorsing. I just think that I just feel like we could hear that a million times over and over again. That does not, that is not an endorsement like you would say. I did have an experience of sexual abuse. That actually did happen. And that is not like I at some point have to take responsibility for my healing around that. Otherwise, I am forever outsourcing my freedom to another or a historical moment or fill in the blank.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:29:01] Yeah, well, that was really one of the profound experiences of my life, was I was suffering in a lot of from the sexual abuse, like in my twenties, in my early 30s and my choices I was making. They were you know, it’s just this haunting pain. And through the practice of forgiveness, I had an actual mystical healing that is undeniable to this day. And I feel like the whole pain body of that story of the past was literally taken out of me. And I felt it and I saw it. And I don’t want to go into the details because it takes a while. But trust me, if someone says, what about sexual abuse? I’m like, I was there. And I promise you, I am unaffected by it. It is forgiven. Forgiven in my mind of my heart and my body in my energy. And I, like that’s why I say I don’t do forgiveness something mystical happens to us when we will open up and ask. So I say to you, if you’re struggling with something that you can’t forgive. Stop focusing on I can’t forgive and just focus on asking. I ask that forgiveness, set me free. Say it a thousand times if you have to a day. I ask the forgiveness, set me free and it will guide you. It will it will lead you to a concert, will lead you to a book. It will lead you to, it will unravel the pain body and it will dissolve it if you focus long enough on forgiveness.
Lola Wright [00:30:29] So you know, the thing about the power of forgiveness is in my experience, it’s really about living in a dynamic experience of completion such that you have the place and space in your life for creation. And so, you know, we’re winding down a season right now, a season, you know, in our climate and on the, you know, a literal season. And I’m curious how that plays into this practice for you. Like, how can you tap into or how can we tap into the seasonal nature of our human experience as an avenue or an access point for freedom?
Mark Anthony Lord [00:31:15] Yeah, well, you know, the end of the year is the perfect time to set aside just a little bit of time to immerse yourself in a forgiveness practice. You know, every year deserves that but 2020 really deserves a conscious letting go. And you could literally just, you know, let thoughts of the year gone by, and while it’s happening, just run the mantra, I ask that forgiveness set me and 2020 free. I ask forgiveness, set me and 2020 free because the year of 2020 is a nice way. Like it we all have that experience from our vantage point of it and every person who could do a part of releasing it and letting forgiveness heal it, it’s a big deal. It doesn’t take much. Close your eyes and just spend ten minutes. And just consciously doing it and it can really be powerful.
Lola Wright [00:32:15] I love that. I love the idea of completing the year with an intentional practice of forgiveness.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:32:22] Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Lola Wright [00:32:25] Mark Anthony. Lord, if people want to connect with you beyond this moment, how can they do that? And what are you creating upcoming that people could get this goodness, this food, this love through?
Mark Anthony Lord [00:32:38] Yeah. Thank you. Well, my website is markanthonylord.me is my website and I do have a new program coming up in 2021 with my really good friend, Aaron Abke. He and I are facilitating a year long journey through A Course in Miracles. Now that sounds like an intense journey and it can be, but it is a transformational book. If you’re interested in freedom from suffering, if you’re interested in how to forgive and you’re interested in really at this traumatic time in the world doing a game changing program, this is it. So that’s what’s coming up. And I’ll have the info on my website. And if people are interested, I’d love for people to check that out.
Lola Wright [00:33:22] Awesome. Beautiful. I’m very, very grateful for your willingness to share your heart, to share your power, to share your love. Thank you for hanging out with me here.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:33:33] Well, I just appreciate you so much because our relationship has gone through the experience of forgiveness and to be here together and to feel so much love and belief in you like it’s we are a demonstration of this shit works.
Lola Wright [00:33:51] Oh, my gosh. There’s no doubt about that. I have an appreciation for our devotion to the practice.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:33:58] Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Lola Wright [00:34:01] So thank you for being my practice partner.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:34:04] Oh, you too.
Lola Wright [00:34:06] I love you, Mark Anthony Lord.
Mark Anthony Lord [00:34:07] You too, Lola. Thank you.
Outro [00:34:11] If you enjoyed this show and would like to receive new episodes as they’re published, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and consider leaving a review in Apple podcasts. Your reviews help others find this show. You can follow me @lolapwright on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn and Twitter and learn more about my work at lolawright.com. This episode was produced by Dante32 with theme music from independent music producer Trey Royal.
Closing Quote [00:34:55] If we can love ourselves in the bag of chips, if we can love ourselves when we’re doing whatever we’re doing. That’s when the pattern really will begin to lose its grip.
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